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« Thread Started on Jan 19, 2007, 6:34pm »

I saw something rather disturbing today. Something that took me from a moment that gave me cause to smile, to stunned anger in the blink of an eye. More aptly, the repeated slap of a hand.

I had an 11 AM doctors appt. today, but I actually got there at 10:30. I decided I would take advantage of the extra time and get a few things accomplished on my laptop. I had parked ( I always back into parking spots) directly across from the solitary door to the doctors office. From that door stretched (in my direction) a raised walkway that lead to a wheelchair ramp that set you onto the surface of the parking lot. Leading away from both sides that ramp were blue handicap lines the reached about 12 ft. into the parking lot.

With my laptop perched on my right knee I was looking up a business location and I caught movement over the top left corner of my screen. I looked out the windshield and I saw a man and woman that I would guess to be in their mid-60's. Along with them was a little boy who couldn't have been more than 3 or 4, though my guess would be the former.

The man was walking with the aid of a walker. He had stopped near the passenger door of a white mini-van that was parked in the spot to the left of the blue lines. As he waited within the blue lines, the woman opened the door to the van and stepped back so that he could get in. While this was going on the little boy had stopped and stood, waiting next to the car on the right side of the blues lines. The man stepped into the open door of the van, but didn't climb in. He stood there waiting for a few moments.

At this point I had fixed my gaze on the little boy. He was cute as hell as he stood there packed into his winter coat. He had both arms raised parallel to the ground and his eyes were transfixed by something that was either in or on his hands as he held them in front of his face. I found myself smiling because he was just too cute. It was at that precise moment that the woman smacked him with an open hand on the left side of his head.

It came from nowhere and from my perspective it was completely unprovoked. The boy had merely been standing there, waiting for them. The momentum from the strike caused the boy to take a step or two to his right. At this point the woman now stood in my line of sight and he was no longer clearly visible to me, though I was able to see his legs as I looked between hers. She then hit him 5 more times in an up and down motion. I didn't see any of these blows actually connect with him, but the movement of his little legs told me all that I needed to know.

I was stunned by what I had witnessed. As I said the little boy was only standing there waiting. It didn't matter if he had done something anyway. No child deserves that type of treatment. Given her lack of cause, the attack could only be summed up as an assault in my eyes and my moment of admiration for the little guy quickly turned to burning anger focused squarely on the woman.

My first instinct was to get out of my car and tell her to quit hitting him, but the fact was that I was in my company issued vehicle that bore the company name on it's side. Not wanting the company to be dragged into the matter I remained in the car and reached for my pad and pen to write down the tag number as well as make and model of the van.

The man finally got into the van and the woman then put the little boy in the back and they backed out of their spot. As they passed in front of me the man looked over at me. I'm not sure if he noticed the look on my face, but I'm certain that it betrayed what I was feeling as my eyes locked with his. I know I was hoping that he noticed the look on my face. My anger wasn't focused on him, but from what I could tell he had said nothing to the woman as she hit the boy. Certainly he was too frail to have stopped her physically.

At that moment I found myself dialing Valentine, seeking her advice. I knew that I had to call the police, but I think I needed her to help me snap out of my disbelief at what I'd seen. She told me to follow my conscience. We hung up and I called the police. They asked me to come to the station and file a report which I did after my appointment was over. They took my name and number and told me that I may be hearing from them in the future. They told me that someone would be sent to the woman's address to get statements from both adults, as well as a rep from child welfare services to evaluate the boy's condition.

Who knows what will become of the situation, but I personally hope the woman ends up in court. I'd gladly take the opportunity to tell a judge what I saw her do. Someone has to speak for that little boy. It might as well be me. Even if she doesn't get arrested the officer's visit may serve as a wake up call to her. I certainly hope so.
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« Reply #1 on Jan 20, 2007, 10:16am »

I hope things work out for the best of that kid. That's terrible that a child would be punished for doing nothing. I admit that sometimes my little cutie acts up, and I sometimes slap his hand or flick his head to get his attention. I'd actually had to experiment with him to find out what works. Starting with the lightest slap and when that did not work, I moved on to something a little harder to ignore, but I still keep it as mild as I can and still get his attention. But getting on a kid like that for no apparent reason is uncalled for. >:(

It is a possibility that she had told the child to do something that you did not hear. My older child ignores me sometimes, and I have to raise my voice, sometimes put my hand on his shoulder or something to get his attention. Turn him towards me. But I don't hit him for that. If that was the case where the kid did not respond to something she said, she needs to get his ears tested, not beat him like that.

That would be something terrible to see. And to not be able to do anything to stop it because of the vehicle you were in would be terrible. I am glad that you got the information and reported it. I hope all turns out for the best. And maybe the woman gets help in controlling herself.
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« Reply #2 on Jan 21, 2007, 9:41am »


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It is a possibility that she had told the child to do something that you did not hear.


The woman may well have said something that the boy didn't respond to, but that doesn't matter at all. Absolutely NOTHING warranted the repeated stikes that the woman doled out to him. If she wanted his attention she might consider tapping his arm next time. I don't understand why some people think that degrading a childs self-worth is acceptable just because they demand the childs attention. Is merely getting your child's attention a good reason to cause them any pain at all? Anyone who feels that it is, isn't worthy of that child's attention.

Just my not-so-humble opinion.
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« Reply #3 on Jan 21, 2007, 9:59am »

Drago, some people don't need to have children at all. Unfortunately there are countless kids that are mistreated in countless ways. I hate it, I detest it. Whether you believe in spankings or not a child should not be whacked upside the head in the manner that you witnessed. I'm sorry that you had to sit through that but maybe God allowed you to see it so that you would share it with us - so maybe we all might do a little extra to help a child that needs something.
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Drago, some people don't need to have children at all. Unfortunately there are countless kids that are mistreated in countless ways. I hate it, I detest it. Whether you believe in spankings or not a child should not be whacked upside the head in the manner that you witnessed. I'm sorry that you had to sit through that but maybe God allowed you to see it so that you would share it with us - so maybe we all might do a little extra to help a child that needs something.


You're exactly right MIB. I posted this both here and at my site. I did it for a couple of reasons. One of them being catharsis. Typing it out helped me to see the issue a little more clearly and put it into context.
Secondly...and the more important reason...was to share the issue in a forum where it might just do some good.

You never know who might read these words. It might be some who themselves has treated a child in this fashion. Someone who also needs a wake up call.

It would be different if we were talking about a little pat on the butt. I wouldn't have thought twice about that. This was different though. It's not the first time I've seen a child treated badly, but the way that it happened was so unexpected and vicious that I was stunned by it. What saddens me more about it is that the man and woman were quite possibly the boy's grandparents. They were too old to have been his parents. If the woman treats her grandchild like this then how did she treat her children? And are her children continuing the cycle as so often happens?

My hope is that she was just a babysitter and that the boys parents have been made aware of what happened. Either way I'm sure his parents know. I only pray that something positive comes of this for the boy and his family.
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« Reply #5 on Jan 22, 2007, 9:30am »

I didn't say what I did about her getting his attention to excuse her actions in any way at all. I agree that nobody has a right to treat a child that way. I hope that the woman is a grandparent or babysitter, and that she looses the right to be with the child.

It is a possibility that if she is the child's grandma and treated her own children that way, that her kids decided that it is not the way to treat kids and are stopping the chain, rather than treating the kid that way themselves. My own father never hit me, but yelled frequently at me, by sibblings, and my mother. That was emotional abuse that took me a long time to get over. With my own children, I do my best to not get after them the way Dad did to me, but it's hard at times. Whenever I find that I slipped up and raised my voice at either of my children, I ALWAYS give them a hug afterwards, snuggle with them, and let them know that Mommy loves them. With any punishment or harsh treatment, I talk to them to let them know why I did what I did, or to apologize when I realize it was more harsh than what was deserved. It is hard to not treat my kids as my dad treated me, but I look more to the example of my mother. She was always kind.

I also keep the severity of the punishments down when I'm anywhere outside our home. Can't exactly put him in time out while in Walmart. The other day, the punishment for my wild child in the store was restraint. He made a scene crying and fighting against me keeping him on the electric ride-on cart, but I was really too tired to care about that. Let people look at the poor kid crying. They would be able to see that I was doing nothing to harm him. He had been running around getting into trouble and putting himself in places I would either hit him with the cart, or where I could not see him.

Okay, now I'm rambling again. Sorry. I suppose I just want to share some of my alternatives I use to physical abuse.
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« Reply #6 on Feb 10, 2007, 5:21pm »

First of all, I want to give you a major set of props, Drago. So many people would have just watched that little scene, thought it was bad, then went on with their day. The fact that you took action is amazing and was totally the right thing to do. So congrats. ;)


I used to be a nanny for a couple who were in the process of adopting four kids. These kids were all from the same family, ranging in age from 18 months to six years when I started with them. There were also two older girls from the same family, but the couple just could not take them all in, although they really wanted to.

At first, I took the job just because it was a job. I needed one and a place to live, and this was a live-in gig. But it turned into so much more. When the father told me about the kids during my second interview with them, he explained why they were in foster care. Their parents had been abusing them, even the baby. And worse than that (in my opinion) was the fact that the parents allowed the grandfather (a just-released from prison child molester) to live in their two bedroom trailer with the family. (And the wonderful system set in place to protect them never investigated any sexual abuse claims against the parents or grandfather - but that's another angry story for another time.)

I knew that the experience would be something to learn from, but I was not prepared for how those kids would touch me. The six year old had recieved the most abuse - the counselors thought it was because he looked the least like everyone else in the family. He was very reserved and angry at first, and wanted nothing to do with anyone other than his new foster father. Little by little he warmed up and about a year after I had been working with them, I had a moment.

The little boy was out in the backyard playing while the younger ones napped. I had the backdoor open so I could hear him or anyone who happened to wake up. I heard him talking, and went to look out the door. He wasn't looking in my direction so I continued to watch. He had a little plastic watering pail and was pretending to water the grass. Then he started singing. I couldn't help it - tears rolled down my cheeks as I thought about how far that kid had come in a year.

Anyway, I fell in love with those kids, who like so many kids were abused simply because they were there. They were all wonderful kids who just needed a little love. And once they were shown that love, they blossomed. Before the kids, I thought abuse was horrible. After the kids, I have a whole new view on the situation. Just reading your story, Drago, made me cry. Seeing stuff on TV or reading stuff in a book just really affects me now. I wish that there was something I could do for all the voiceless children out there.

And that's why I applaud you so much, Drago - you were a voice for that child.
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« Reply #7 on Feb 10, 2007, 6:44pm »

Hermy, I was having a perfectly lousy day until you came along and ruined it by making me feel good.

Thank you. :)
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« Reply #8 on Feb 12, 2007, 4:59pm »

Glad to ruin your crappy day, Drago. Any time...
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« Reply #9 on Feb 12, 2007, 9:02pm »

I just so happened to cross paths with the same little boy along with the same two adults today. This time I was leaving my chiropractors appointment as they were arriving. In fact, just as I was about to open the door the little boy appeared in front of it and he stepped back so that I could open it. As soon as it was open he looked at me, smiled and just as brightly as you could imagine he explaimed "Good morning! How are you today?" Given the way that he said it, I thought to myself "You're my favorite little person on the face of the earth right now." I responded by saying "Hi there! I'm doing pretty good so far!"

I held the door for him as he came inside and continued to hold it for the older gentleman, who was again using the walker. We exchanged greetings, then he thanked me for holding the door. The woman was busy closing up the van, so I was kind of happy that I didn't have to hold the door for her too, as she may have "accidentally" tripped over my foot as she passed by. :D

After seeing how sweet that little boy is, I'm really glad that I filed a report with the police. And again I hope that the visit they paid to the couple did some sort of good for the little boy.
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« Reply #10 on Feb 12, 2007, 11:29pm »

Drago, you are a walking improbability drive :-[
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Drago, you are a walking improbability drive :-[


As for bumping into them, I have 5 more weeks of chiro appts. lined up, so it's entirely possible that I'll encounter them yet again. I'd like to try and get the little guys name if I do.

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« Reply #12 on Feb 18, 2007, 10:04am »

His name is Nicholas. I crossed paths with him/them again in the doc's waiting room on Friday. He and his grandparents came in his grandfather told him to take his coat off and sit down. Nicholas headed for the seat that was directly in front of me. He looked at me, smiled and said very enthusiatically (the enthusiasm seems to be typical) "Hi, can I sit here and talk to you?" I responded by saying "You sure can!" He hopped up into the seat and stated that it was "just like his booster." His grandmother reminded him to take his jacket, hat and gloves off, so he got down and pulled his hat off, revealing a blonde head of hair. He looked at his grandfather. pointed at me and said "he's going to talk to me!" His grandfather again told him to take his coat and gloves off. Nicholas looked at me and I said "It's pretty cold outside isn't it?" and Nicholas said "Yes." That's when the nurse called me back for my appointment.

Ok, so none of that info really means anything, but it was nice to learn his name. And the more I know of him, the more I like him.
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« Reply #13 on Feb 20, 2007, 9:12pm »

It is good to hear that Nicholas is not miserable all the time... hopefully that was an isolated incident that you helped not to re-occur.
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« Reply #14 on May 4, 2009, 12:13am »

Wow that was a really nice thing that you did for that wee boy and glad that you have seen him since.

I live on the edge of a 3rd class area and seeing kids abused is a daily thing here. I have rang the police a few times when I have witness a child being hit. Most of the young children around here are pretty good and well behave. I have no problems with sticking up for them at all. No child deserves to be abused.
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